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no one has posted anything very relevant on here in quite awhile, so i thought i would try and get a discussion going. i just did a search on "Brokeback Mountain" in this tribe and was quite surprised to see that nothing has been written about it by anyone here (unless it was in your blogs) i FINALLY got to see the movie last night. i watched it 3 times. you see, i live in a very small, very redneck town in Western Arizona. Brokeback would never be shown in the only theatre in town. we are lucky to get 3rd run movies. so the DVD came out and i bought it at Wal Mart. not because i do alot of shopping at walmart... i could have gotten it many different places (online) cheaper, but they didn't cave to the xtian zealots and sold the movie anyway, so i specifically went to them to buy my copy.
i was born and raised in a small town in Arizona. Apache Junction, Arizona. yes that's a real town here. my high school graduating class was 57 people. we had an outhouse until we got inside plumbing when i was 12. i rode a horse to school from kindergarten thru grade 5, when we finally got school buses to take us.
in alot of ways, i'm Ennis. the one big difference is, my Jack got me to live with him in Cathedral City, Ca. we had 5 wonderful years together before he was killed. i blogged about it here: jar2.blogspot.com/2005/05/d...-died.html
i live alone now. have done so for the past 22 years, except when i lost my house after becoming disabled. then i had to live with family and friends until i could get back on my feet. like Ennis, i could never replace my Rusty. while i watched the movie, i took out Rusty's shirt (read my blog post) and cried into it, especially at the ending. i knew, from everything i read about the movie, that it was going to be painful for me. i didnt know how painful. its after 6 am and i still cant get to sleep.
i'm still amazed at the similarities between Ennis and i.
Ennis married (after meeting Jack) and had 2 kids
i married after meeting Rusty, and had 1 kid
Ennis was a loner
i am a loner
Ennis continued to see Jack while he was married
i continued seeing Rusty after i married.
we both divorced
Ennis never lived with Jack
i got 5 wonderful years with Rusty (ok we differ here)
Jack was killed by fagbashers
Rusty was killed by fagbashers
Ennis kept Jack's shirt
i kept Rusty's shirt
Ennis lived alone and never was with anyone else after Jack died
i live alone and will never be with anyone again
maybe i can get some sleep now. or perhaps i will watch Brokeback again.
i was born and raised in a small town in Arizona. Apache Junction, Arizona. yes that's a real town here. my high school graduating class was 57 people. we had an outhouse until we got inside plumbing when i was 12. i rode a horse to school from kindergarten thru grade 5, when we finally got school buses to take us.
in alot of ways, i'm Ennis. the one big difference is, my Jack got me to live with him in Cathedral City, Ca. we had 5 wonderful years together before he was killed. i blogged about it here: jar2.blogspot.com/2005/05/d...-died.html
i live alone now. have done so for the past 22 years, except when i lost my house after becoming disabled. then i had to live with family and friends until i could get back on my feet. like Ennis, i could never replace my Rusty. while i watched the movie, i took out Rusty's shirt (read my blog post) and cried into it, especially at the ending. i knew, from everything i read about the movie, that it was going to be painful for me. i didnt know how painful. its after 6 am and i still cant get to sleep.
i'm still amazed at the similarities between Ennis and i.
Ennis married (after meeting Jack) and had 2 kids
i married after meeting Rusty, and had 1 kid
Ennis was a loner
i am a loner
Ennis continued to see Jack while he was married
i continued seeing Rusty after i married.
we both divorced
Ennis never lived with Jack
i got 5 wonderful years with Rusty (ok we differ here)
Jack was killed by fagbashers
Rusty was killed by fagbashers
Ennis kept Jack's shirt
i kept Rusty's shirt
Ennis lived alone and never was with anyone else after Jack died
i live alone and will never be with anyone again
maybe i can get some sleep now. or perhaps i will watch Brokeback again.
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Re: painful memories revisited
Sun, April 9, 2006 - 10:10 AMFor awhile (and I am sure if you search their site it'll come up) Nightcharm.com had all of their past contributors post their thoughts on seeing (or not seeing) Brokeback Mountain.
Many were insightful. Mine on the other hand came more from the angle of outsider looking in and reasons for not running out and seeing this film which is now out on DVD.
We all watch movies and gather what inferences we can from movies such as these. I still can't bring myself to now watch this movie because of all the hype around it that seemed so superficial. Now that that's a feeling that has pretty much passed and I feel unfortunate to have been bombarded by the media in this fashion, I also feel that it's tainted my expectations. Now before everyone starts screaming and coming at me with knives, I know the following statement isn't to make any comparision to the content of the movies, but to what surrounded the release of these movies. I still haven't watched Forrest Gump for much the same reason - everyone kept telling me what a great movie it was.
In conclusion, I again feel sorry for your immense loss and I once again feel like a bit of the outsider here in real life. Sure, I've had people call me nasty things or make moves to threaten me physically but I never finched, but I think it was because when cornered I can be devestating with words. I'm lucky, I suppose as I only stand 5'5" and probably could be snapped in half and just as easily taken out with a bullet if I opened my mouth to the wrong person.
What you have had to go through is incredibly unfair. Losing a partner can never be easy.
I guess I'm left with a question, though, as I can only imagine the pain you felt losing Rusty. Understand, I also go to a movie to escape my life and this isn't a criticism. Is the movie that good to warrant watching it over and over? -
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Re: painful memories revisited
Sun, April 9, 2006 - 11:01 PMwatch it yourself and find out.
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Re: painful memories revisited
Mon, April 10, 2006 - 12:29 PM//snip// I still can't bring myself to now watch this movie because of all the hype around it that seemed so superficial. Now that that's a feeling that has pretty much passed and I feel unfortunate to have been bombarded by the media in this fashion, I also feel that it's tainted my expectations.//snip//
i'm sorry but this sounds SO muck like my 3 year old nephew, stamping his foot and screaming "NO! I"M NOT GONNA!". most every movie out gets "hyped" and you are going to allow them to control your response? thats sad, actually.
i watched it so many times because i thought it was a great movie. i do like to watch a movie 3 or 4 times if i like it, because you notice things on the second or 3rd viewing that you hadnt noticed before, and this is definetly one of those movies. break down for once and go out and spend 20 bucks on the DVD and watch the movie. its worth it. you dont have to tell anyone you broke down and watched it. trust me. i wont tell.
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Re: painful memories revisited
Mon, April 10, 2006 - 8:41 PM*shrug* If I cry I'm pretty honest about it.
I just don't go out and watch movies because people tell me to, like a lot of things in life. It wasn't my intention to be insulted for not seeing a movie, but to actually participate in a dialog to understand where you are coming from - as you had asked. I was being as objective as I could without seeing it and my commentary didn't result in name calling.
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Re: painful memories revisited
Tue, April 11, 2006 - 5:27 AMI get what you are saying Drub. I saw the movie in the theater and thought it was rather dull. While the guy above has a valid connection to the story, I personally couldn't relate to any of it. For me it didn't live up to the hype and I don't plan on watching it again.
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Re: painful memories revisited
Mon, April 10, 2006 - 6:13 PMJack may have been killed by fagbashers. or not. it may have been Ennis' worst fear playing out in his head but not in real life. the movie seems to push you towards believing that Jack was killed in a bashing. the original story leaves it more ambiguous. -
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Re: painful memories revisited
Tue, April 11, 2006 - 5:30 AMI agree with this. I also wondered if he was killed by some of his father-in-laws cronies because they never revisited his relationship with him after the incident with the TV. (Another part that I thought was weak in the movie.)
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